Sunday, November 8, 2009

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Satan speaks in this childrens program!

Satan himself appears in this program. This program is supposed to be for kids but Satan appears as a shape shifter. Illuminati conspiracies government secret Satan evil demon ...

Freaky! I wonder if that is Allah of Islam or Muhammed?

And this is a kids show? It's just plain freaky to me.

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Surviving 2012: Ian O'Neill on Discovery Channel Sunday Night

Our very own resident expert on 2012, Dr. Ian O'Neill will be on a special Discovery Channel show, premiering Sunday evening. I just saw a promo piece on the Discovery Channel, and it looks really great. On TV, they called it Surviving 2012, however online it is titled Apocalypse 2012 On his blog, Astroengine, Ian says that science is the focus on this show, (unlike the idiotic Nostradamus nonsense on another channel). As you probably know, Ian is now the producer over at Discovery Space, (and doing a bang-up job!) but he still posts on UT now and then. His series of articles on 2012 are outstanding, and are some of our most popular articles, so I can't wait to see him debunk the nonsense on television. The Discovery Channel in my area (US Central Time) says 9 pm, but check your own local listing. And if you miss it Sunday night, check for repeat showings later in the week. Go Ian!

2012: The End?

Manila Bulletin - Jullie Y. Daza - ‎Nov 4, 2009‎
... field as TM practitioners know it –to the secrets kept in coded language, buried in architectural details, and hidden in the rites of Freemasonry. ...

Mayan Doomsday Prophecy

The Mayan calendar ends on December 21, 2012. Are we three years from the end of the world?

Beyond Maya: Hint At How Many Ancient Cultures Focused On 2012 As Time Of Judgment In Researcher's New Book
The “Cherokee Rattlesnake Prophecies,” also known as the “Chickamaugan Prophecy” or the “Cherokee Star Constellation Prophecies,” are part of a series of apocalyptic prophecies made by members of the Cherokee tribe during 1811–1812. The prophecies are very similar to Mesoamerican belief, and are viewed by scholars as likely referring to the return of the feathered serpent god Quetzalcoatl in the year 2012. Like the Maya, the Cherokee calendar ends mysteriously in the year 2012 when astronomical phenomena related to Jupiter, Venus, Orion, and Pleiades cause the “powers” of the star systems to “awaken.”... J. R. Church of Prophecy in the News called my office recently and led me through verses 476–483 of this part of the Zohar to point out what nobody, as far as I have been able to find, in the 2012 research community has written before—that the time of Jacob’s trouble (the Great Tribulation) will commence according to this ancient text in the year 2012 when the “kings of the earth” gather in Rome and are killed by meteoric stones from the sky...

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'Something may come through' dimensional 'doors' at LHC


Attack of the Hyperdimensional Juggernaut-Men

By Lewis Page

Posted in Physics, 6th November 2009 12:02 GMT

A top boffin at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) says that the titanic machine may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena, or "unknown unknowns" - for instance "an extra dimension".

"Out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it," said Sergio Bertolucci, who is Director for Research and Scientific Computing at CERN, briefing reporters including the Reg at CERN HQ earlier this week.

The LHC, built inside a 27-km circular subterranean tunnel deep beneath the Franco-Swiss border outside Geneva, functions like a sort of orbital motorway for extremely high-speed hadrons - typically either protons or lead ions.

The differences are, firstly, that the streams of particles are moving at velocities within a whisker of light speed - such that each stream has as much energy in it as a normal car going at 1000mph. Secondly, the beams are arranged in such fashion that the two streams swerve through one another occasionally, which naturally results in huge numbers of incredibly violent head-on collisions.

These collisions are sufficiently violent that they are expected to briefly create conditions similar to those obtaining countless aeons ago, not long after the Big Bang, when the entire universe was still inconceivably small - it was smaller than a proton for quite some time, seemingly, still with all the stuff that nowadays makes up all the supra-enormity of space and galaxies and so forth packed in somehow.

Naturally, some extremely strange phenomena are to be expected when one mangles the very fabric of space-time itself in this fashion. Various eccentric nutballs have claimed that this would doom humanity in one fashion or another; perhaps converting the entire Earth, everything on it and possibly the rest of the universe too into "strangelet soup", monopole mulligatawny or some other sort of frightful sub-particulate blancmange or custard.

It has also been suggested that cack-handed boffins at the LHC might inadvertently call into being a miniature black hole and carelessly drop this into the centre of the Earth, rather irritatingly causing the planet to implode. It's certainly to be hoped that the button marked "Call Black Hole Into Being" on the control board has some kind of flip-down cover over it.

Obviously all that's utter rubbish. But some boffins have speculated that black holes might alternatively act as spacewarp wormhole portals into alternate universes, or something. This would seem to chime with Bertolucci's remarks this week on hyperdimensional "doors" out of which might come unspecified "somethings".

So what have we got? Dinosaurs? Demonic soul-reapers? Parallel globo-Nazis? Hyperspherical juggernaut-beings? Come on

Anyone who has watched a TV, read any sci-fi or seen any movies will be well aware that hyperdimensional spacewarp wormhole portals don't normally lead to anything boring like empty space, parallel civilisations where humanity lives in peace and harmony or anything like that.

Rather, it seems a racing cert that we're looking here at an imminent visit from a race of carnivorous dinosaur-men, the superhuman clone hive-legions of some evil genetic queen-empress, infinite polypantheons of dark nega-deities imprisoned for aeons and hungering to feast upon human souls, a parallel-history victorious Nazi globo-Reich or something of that type.

We took the matter up with Dr Mike Lamont, a control-room boffin at the LHC.

"We're hoping to see supersymmetry and extra dimensions," he confirmed.

Pressed on the matter of doors through which something might come, as hinted at by Bertolucci, Lamont rather elliptically said "well, he's a theorist", before recommending the book Warped Passages by physicist Lisa Randall. This explores ways in which extra-dimensional space and entities might interact with our own. It uses among others the example of how a sphere moving in 3D space would appear to someone living on a single 2D plane-space - that is as a mysterious circle suddenly blossoming into existence, growing, perhaps moving about and then shrinking down and vanishing again.

"There's no maths in it," added Lamont encouragingly, having assessed the intellectual level of the Reg news team with disconcerting percipience.

Summarising, then, it appears that we might be in for some kind of invasion by spontaneously swelling and shrinking spherical or wheel-shaped creatures - something on the order of the huge rumbling stone ball from Indiana Jones - able to move in and out of our plane at will. Soon the cities of humanity will lie in smoking ruins, shattered by the Attack of the Teleporting Juggernaut-tyrants from the Nth Dimension.

Dr Bertolucci later got in touch to confirm that yes indeed, there would be an "open door", but that even with the power of the LHC at his disposal he would only be able to hold it open "a very tiny lapse of time, 10-26 seconds, [but] during that infinitesimal amount of time we would be able to peer into this open door, either by getting something out of it or sending something into it.

"Of course," adds Bertolucci, "after this tiny moment the door would again shut, bringing us back to our 'normal' four dimensional world ... It would be a major leap in our vision of Nature, although of no practcal use (for the time being, at least). And of course [there would be] no risk to the stability of our world."

We say: Excellent. Who said the LHC was a waste of money? ®

Bird Shuts Down Large Hadron Collider

About - News & Issues (blog) - ‎12 hours ago‎
... (LHC) near Geneva has been temporarily shut down due to a piece of French baguette dropped into the cooling unit, most likely from a passing bird, ...

Bird beats big bang with bit of baguette

Brisbane Times - ‎Nov 7, 2009‎
The bird dropped bread on a compensating capacitor – where the mains electricity supply enters the collider – cutting power to the LHC during a test run.

A bit of bread dropped by a bird grinds 'Big Bang Machine' to a halt

SINDH TODAY - ‎Nov 6, 2009‎
London, November 7 (ANI): Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) found their plans to emulate the big bang postponed this week when a passing bird ...

Oh crumbs! Hadron Collider breaks down thanks to bread dropped by passing bird

Mail on Sunday - ‎Nov 6, 2009‎
The LHC attempts to recreate conditions at the time of the Big Bang by firing protons round its 16.8 mile tunnel at almost the speed of light to smash them ...

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Nov. 5, 1955: A Flux of Genius

1955: A clock, a slippery toilet seat and a severe concussion lead to the invention of time travel.

Dr. Emmett Lathrop Brown is known for being a member (unverified) of the Manhattan Project, a physics professor at Hill Valley University, and a talented entrepreneur and handyman. But it’s his contribution to the field of temporal physics for which he is best remembered.

According to archival footage, Brown was standing on his toilet seat on the evening of Nov. 5, 1955, attempting to hang a clock in his bathroom, when he slipped and slammed his head on the side of the sink. Upon regaining consciousness Brown reported having “a revelation, a picture, a picture in my head.” A picture which he crudely scrawled down on a piece of paper and subsequently spent 30 years of his life and family fortune to build.

That picture, of course, was the flux capacitor. And as every high school physics student knows, it’s the device that makes time travel possible.

The main hurdle Brown faced with the flux capacitor was delivering enough power to make it function. The capacitor required a staggering 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to generate a time-displacement field. Brown first surmised that meeting the capacitor’s power needs could be accomplished in two ways: either by channeling a nuclear reaction or harnessing a bolt of lightning. Lightning as it turned out, was pretty much out of the question, because it’s impossible to determine when and where a bolt will strike.

Brown decided to go for the nuclear option. He hypothesized that within 30 years, material like plutonium would be easily obtainable — probably available in corner drugstores. It turned out he was dead wrong.

By 1985 Brown had squandered his family fortune and allegedly committed several acts of insurance fraud to finance his time machine. Built from a Delorean DMC-12 (whose stainless steel body had a direct and influential effect on flux dispersal), it was fitted with a working flux capacitor that was powered by a nuclear reactor. Desperate for fuel, Brown duped a group of Libyan terrorists into providing him with weapons-grade plutonium.

At 1:21 a.m Oct. 25, 1985, Brown (with the help of his protege, Martin McFly) was able to successfully — and safely — send his dog forward and then McFly back in time. After a series of setbacks resulting from the first temporal displacement, Brown and McFly would travel to the years 1955, 2015 and 1885.

Unfortunately, because of a railroad accident near Hill Valley’s Eastwood Ravine a day later, Brown’s DeLorean along with its flux capacitor was destroyed. Despite repeated requests from the media and scientific communities, Brown has declined interviews and refuses to share or replicate the flux capacitor’s technology.

The incidents leading up to the time machine demise also served as the basis for the award-winning documentary, Back to the Future.

Source: Fictional

Ernest O. Lawrence, Emmett L. Brown and J. Robert Oppenheimer peer at the controls of the 184-inch cyclotron, which was being converted in early 1946 from its wartime use to its original purpose as a cyclotron.
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CNBC Guest: Dollar Will Be Utterly Destroyed
The dollar will get "utterly destroyed" and become "virtually worthless", said Damon Vickers, chief investment officer of Nine Points Capital Partners.

"We don't have resources. Neither does a lot of Asia to be quite frank," Vickers said on CNBC's Asia Squawk Box. "Countries that have resources -- the Brazils, the Canadas, Australia -- their currencies are doing well."

Vickers noted that their stock markets have done the best year-to-date.

"They have stuff. They've got resources. They export real things. The United States exports 'promises' and 'pretty paper'," he added.

Australia's S&P/ASX 200


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Due to the huge wage disparities between the United States and emerging markets like China, Vickers said that may resolve itself in some type of a global currency crisis.

"If the global currency crisis unfolds, then inevitably you get an alignment of a global world government. A new global currency and a new world order, so we may be moving towards that," he said.

Vickers added that this is the time where investors should be making money when the trend is developing.

"Oil looks higher, gold looks higher, currencies look weaker."

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UK Masonic Criminal Elite Called "Untouchables"

The UK is currently being run by a Masonic group who consider themselves untouchable. These people are often high end criminals who use their Freemasonry links to hide their illegal activities.

These untouchables include drug dealers, pimps, murderers, and gangsters. They have Masonic links to UK police and security services. For example, if a dirty job is required,the criminal gangs will happily carry it out allowing it to be completely deniable to security service and the police. In the event that the criminal gangs require a blind eye or even assistance, security services and the police are very happy to become involved.

In fact, I have specific evidence of the activities of these people and the line between untouchable criminals, MI5 and the police is often blurred: Police and MI5 acting as criminals for the criminals, criminals doing "Favours" for the police.
This level of corruption runs through the justice system, lawyers, politicians and much of local government.

The links these untouchables have enabled them to commit murder, drug trafficking, and any other heinous crime you can think of with the collusion of masonic police officers, judges, politicians and lawyers.

Ever so often in the UK a "special" police unit is set up to tackle police corruption. These units are allowed to continue as long as they do not uncover the truth. If they ever do, then they are shut down very quickly.
Once such unit based in London was set up to expose pedophile rings trafficking children. Senior people within this covert operation were very close to exposing a network that served important people and was operated by untouchables. The specialist police unit was immediately disbanded.

Some of these "Untouchables" operate with complete impunity. They have access to some of the most advanced technology and resources including equipment which is normally only available to secret service and special forces.

The willingness or obligation from officials at all levels to assist these people comes from two directions. The Freemasonry oath to help "Brothers" before anything else; and the fact that once you cross the line and help these people, you then become their property. These "Untouchables" with the right connections can call on assistance from the very top. When orders come through, those carrying out the dirty work will often believe they are just doing their job. This means these untouchable criminals can do anything and will tell you if you happen to become their target.
This network of senior freemasons is unknown to the lower ranks who willingly comply to orders.

The level of corruption has now reached a stage that they are willing to expose themselves to the public in the belief that they are completely untouchable. The Freemasonry untouchable criminals, corrupt police officers (not all of them) and security services are in for a suprise. The truth is coming out.

Maureen Spalek who's video is at the bottom of the page was once married to an individual who told her openly that he was an untouchable high level Freemason. After a major disagreement and subsequent divorce her children were illegally taken after a visit to hospital for one of her children who was knocked over by a motor cycle in suspicious circumstances. The nurse involved wrote a report saying that Maureen was unstable and an unfit mother. The children were immediately taken in to care and very soon after adopted. Maureen has had independant reports stating that she is perfectly fit.

She decided to contact the nurse who made the report. However, the nurse was murdered before she could speak to her. An individual was convicted of the murder and sentenced. Maureen attempted to get a visiting pass to the prison in an attempt to find out if this person did murder the nurse and why. Before she could make the visit the prisoner was killed in prison. Maureen is recieving daily harrasment from Cheshire and Mersyside police organised through the untouchable masonic connections, she has also been the victim of corrupt judges and medical staff.

UK Security services, UK police and untouchable criminals attempted an illegal operation on Saturday 31st October 2009 in central London. The security services were used for surveillance and tracking of the victim, the untouchables planned to carry out a heinous crime and the police colluded by standing by once these people had done their work to take the victim of this high level organised masonic crime.

UK security services protect untouchables who organise and run a high level child trafficking ring for elite masonic groups who call themselves illuminati. Theses people will be called upon by security services to set a target up as a pedophile inorder to drive the target to suicide. This is probably the most hainus tactic of MI5 and clearly a target not wanting to allow these thugs to bring discrace on family and friends would have no option.

Police tracking techniques and the masonic stooges will be used to follow the target until he reaches a location then the team will swing in to action orchestrating a crime scene inorder to set up the target. Bribes will be paid to as many people as required inorder for them to carry out their crimes at any given location and they will often tell members of the public anything to get their agreement including labeling the target as a dangerous attacker when in fact the rouge elemenets of the security services and police combined with Freemason untouchables are the most dangerous people in society. There have been unsubstanciated claims that these groups participate in satanic ritual sacrifices, from what I have witnessed I can certanly not dismiss these claims.

Morning roundup: Freemason judges can keep quiet

Times Online - Michael Herman - ‎Nov 6, 2009‎
* Would-be judges will no longer have to declare if they are Freemasons, the Government said yesterday. The policy reversal was announced by Jack Straw, ...

Judges will no longer have to declare if they are freemasons, Straw says

Daily Mail - ‎Nov 5, 2009‎
By Daily Mail Reporter Judges will no longer have to declare whether they are freemasons when they take office, Jack Straw said yesterday. ...

Freemasons shake off ruling on judiciary - ‎Nov 5, 2009‎
Prospective judges will no longer have to declare if they are Freemasons, the government has announced . For the past 11 years, anyone applying to be a ...

Judges no longer have to declare Freemasonry - Tom Whitehead - ‎Nov 5, 2009‎
Judges will no longer have to declare being a Freemason after Jack Straw scrapped a 11-year-rule he introduced – amid fears he would lose a human rights ...

Jack Straw scraps rule saying judges must declare if they are masons - ‎Nov 5, 2009‎
Sometimes life goes round in a circle. Twelve years ago, shortly before the 1997 general election, Jack Straw said that freemasonry should be a "declarable ...

Straw makes statement on Judicial Declarations (Freemasonry)

DeHavilland (press release) (subscription) - ‎Nov 6, 2009‎
The Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor (Mr. Jack Straw): Since 1998, all first time successful candidates for judicial appointment or the ...
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Bible-class teacher charged with luring teens into 'secret society' for sex

USA Today - ‎Oct 28, 2009‎
A 37-year-old Bible-class teacher at a private academy has been arrested for allegedly creating a "secret society" to lure teenage girls to have sex with ...

Teacher's "Secret Society" Sex Rap

The Smoking Gun - ‎Oct 28, 2009‎
OCTOBER 28--A Texas middle school teacher used a fictional "secret society" to lure teenage girls in to having sex with him, according to an arrest warrant. ...

Strangely shaken, but Freemasons' secret remains - Ian Steward - ‎Oct 25, 2009‎
SHAKEDOWN: Is this strange handshake the Freemasons secret handshake? It might be, but they're not saying. ...

No record of how many police are also freemasons

This is North Devon - ‎Oct 31, 2009‎
THERE is no official record of how many police officers in North Devon and Torridge are freemasons, a force spokesman has confirmed. ...

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Rep. Souder Blasts Pelosi After Her Sappy House Floor Speech

Health Care Bill Passes the US House 220-215 (RAW FOOTAGE)

US healthcare faces tough path in Senate

Reuters - John Whitesides, Will Dunham - ‎19 minutes ago‎
WASHINGTON, Nov 8 (Reuters) - After a landmark win in the US House of Representatives, President Barack Obama's push for healthcare reform faces a difficult path in the Senate amid divisions in his own Democratic Party on how to ...

House Approves Sweeping Health Care Bill, Now All Eyes on Senate

ABC News - Jonathan Karl, Rachel Martin - ‎3 hours ago‎
Democrats in the House of Representatives narrowly passed sweeping health care reform legislation Saturday night, with only one Republican joining in the vote and the minority party nearly unanimous in ...

Obama says health vote 'historic'

BBC News - ‎3 hours ago‎
US President Barack Obama has hailed as "historic" the approval of a health bill by the House of Representatives. He said he was "absolutely confident" the Senate would pass its own version, and that healthcare reforms would become law by the end of ...

Mr Obama said: "Tonight, in an historic vote, the House of Representatives passed a bill that would finally make real the promise of quality, affordable healthcare for the American people. The United States Senate must follow suit and pass its version of the legislation. I am absolutely confident it will, and I look forward to signing comprehensive health insurance reform into law by the end of the year."
more by Barack Obama - 3 hours ago - BBC News (8 occurrences)

House Democrats Who Voted Against the Health Care Bill

New York Times - ‎4 hours ago‎
Lawmakers in the House voted 220 to 215 on Saturday night to approve a sweeping overhaul of the nation's health care system. Only one Republican voted for the bill, and 39 Democrats opposed it, including 24 members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog ...

US House of Representatives votes to approve healthcare reform

Christian Science Monitor - Gail Russell Chaddock - ‎2 hours ago‎
The House voted 220 to 215 in favor of healthcare reform. But Saturday night's vote also signals tough negotiations ahead in the next phases of the legislation. By Gail Russell Chaddock | Staff writer/ November 8, 2009 edition After a vote that went ...

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Meteor Shower Lights Up Skies

The skies over Northern and Central California lit up around 5:10 p.m. on Saturday, November 7. It was likely part of a meteor shower, experts said. Witnesses described it as a big white fireball.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, it was part of the annual Taurids meteor showers which peak between November 5-12.

Bing Quock with San Francisco's Morrison Planetarium told KCBS radio that based on witnesses' descriptions, the object was likely between the size of a baseball or soccer ball and may have disintegrated before it hit the earth.

The YouTube vdeo below that shows some of the contrails vapor left behind by the fireball.

The Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that the fireball prompted a number of 911 calls.

Fox 40 reports that the fireball caused a big stir in the Sacramento area.

The fireball prompted reports that a plane had crashed in Yolo County, the Daily Democrat reports.

Shows contrail after meteor

SACRAMENTO - Emergency calls to 9-1-1 and to FOX40 news Saturday night because of what flew across the sky and appeared to hit the ground causing so many to think it was a plane crashing to the ground. It was pretty scary for people who described what looked like a fireball falling from the sky. It was all actually part of a yearly event called the Leonid meteor shower.

Still, 911 dispatchers were flooded with calls with people reporting everything from what looked like a plane crashing to a UFO landing. It was nothing that dramatic, just small pieces of debris from a passing comet. Amateur Astronomer Walter Heiges explained to FOX40 that "As we go through our orbit we go through that debris and those pieces of debris come through our atmosphere and they burn up and you see streaks of light."

But to people watching, it was unexplainable. One man called 911 to report the mysterious light and told dispatchers "everyone on the freeway is slamming on their brakes."

All across Sacramento County people reported seeing the fireballs. We met one family whose kids were playing outside when they saw the meteors, it was like nothing they'd ever seen before and a little scary. One little girl said "I thought it was a UFO or meteor maybe both, and I got kind of nervous like it would hit the earth." But once we explained what was happening, the kids were excited to watch it again.

If you missed the show, you still have a chance to see more meteors, but you might have to make a trip out of town. Heiges suggests that you "Get somewhere very high in the sky or somewhere very far away from the city lights and kick back."

The Leonid meteor shower usually happens November 17th & 18th. About the very same time, last November at the peak of the evening commute a lot of people saw a similar huge ball of light barreling through the sky, turning blue and green and it appeared to hit the ground. Commuters all flooded 911 with calls most of them in the twin cities, Highway 99 area and most, convinced they saw an airliner go down. It wasn't until the next day that officials confirmed, the event that stirred up so much excitement and so much concern came from space and was a natural event.

Massive Fireball Fly's Over Tokyo

Unsure of Landing

by Mitch Battros - Earth Changes Media

Several people observed a massive meteor fireball emitting a brighter than usual flash at around 8:30 pm on the 6th of November - it was observed throughout the province. According to a statement from the Toyama Observatory, it was a "massive fireball", a rare phenomenon caused by a large mass of meteorite.

FIREBALL VIDEO: http://earthchanges publish/article- 9162526717. php

The fireball was observed traveling in a northern direction. It lit up the skies for a full two to three seconds, falling to an area unknown at this time. The fireball divided into several individual pieces as the meteor exploded in the middle with a white, yellow, and red emission.

Usually when a meteorite enters the Earth's atmosphere, it burns up due to a super-heated atmospheric friction. It is often known as a "shooting star" -- But due to the size of this meteorite and its strong longer glow, it caused panic among large populated areas around the Tokyo vicinity.

FULL ARTICLE: http://earthchanges secure/3247. 326/article- 9162526718. php

Indonesian Police investigate UFO sighting and other events, video
Michael Cohen
Indonesians are becoming increasingly aware of the possibility that their nation is being visited by beings from other planets. UFO events are starting to make news in Indonesia on a regular basis. Some of the latest occurrences include:

A UFO seen and filmed by police last month in the Indonesian city of Bandung has been investigated by the local police department. The conclusion: It was a kite fitted with lights.
A man in the Province of West Papua noticed a strange white light zoom overhead, slow down and shoot off while he was sitting on his porch at night on October 28. The UFO interfered with the electricity in houses that it passed over.
Residents of an apartment block in Bandung reported strange objects in the sky on October 28. On November 1 a Jakarta man noticed a bright light shooting across the sky at night and reported it to local UFO researchers.

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6.7 magnitude quake strikes eastern Indonesia

Xinhua - Mu Xuequan - ‎1 hour ago‎
JAKARTA, Nov. 9 (Xinhua) -- An earthquake measuring 6.7 magnitude on the Richter scale rocked eastern parts of Indonesia on Monday morning, the Meteorology ...

Earthquake measuring 6.7 reported near Indonesia

The Associated Press - ‎1 hour ago‎
NEW YORK — A strong earthquake was reported in the ocean off Indonesia on Sunday, the US Geological Survey said. The quake measured a magnitude of 6.7, ...

Strong quake hits Indonesian island

AFP - ‎1 hour ago‎
JAKARTA — A strong quake with a magnitude of 6.7 and a relatively shallow depth hit the Indonesian island of Sumbawa on Monday, officials said, with initial ...

Indonesia Says No Casualties In 6.7 Magnitude Quake

New York Times - Sunanda Creagh, Telly Nathalia - ‎2 hours ago‎
By REUTERS JAKARTA (Reuters) - A strong 6.7-magnitude earthquake has shaken Indonesia, the US Geological Survey reported early on Monday morning, ...

Tsunami risk slight following quake

NZ City - ‎1 hour ago‎
A 6.7 magnitude earthquake has shaken the island of Sumbawa. US observers say the quake occurred eight kilometres northwest of Raba at a depth of 18 ...

Quake hits Indonesia

Radio New Zealand - ‎2 hours ago‎
The US Geological Survey reported that the quake was centred 8 kilometres north-northwest of Raba, Sumbawa, at a depth of 18 kilometres at 3:41am local time ...

Strong earthquake strikes Indonesia - ‎2 hours ago‎
RABA, INDONESIA (BNO NEWS) — A strong earthquake struck Indonesia's Sumbawa region on Monday morning, according to seismologists. ...

Fiery meteor may have caused reports of plane crash north of Woodland

Reports started coming in throughout the region at 5:15 p.m. that a fireball had been sighted near the interchange of Interstate 505 and I-5. The calls came from as far away as Elk Grove and Sutter County.

Many of the reports came from law enforcement officers themselves. One off-duty sheriff's deputy reported seeing a blazing light coming down in the rolling hills of the area. Others apparently sighted a trail of flaming debris sweeping across the sky to crash in the largely uninhabited area.

However, a search by law enforcement personnel and media turned up nothing, leaving observers to speculate the reports were those of a meteor blazing across the evening sky.

Currently, the area is between regularly scheduled meteor showers. According to star watchers, the "Orionids" shower started Oct. 21 and was expected to continue through the new moon. The next meteor shower is the "Leonids," which will occur Nov. 17 and 18. The shower will peak in the predawn hours of Nov. 17. The moon will be just past new, so it won't interfere with the shower.

Experts predict that this will be a good year for the Leonids, as long as people travel to rural areas and away from city lights, where hopefully they won't mistake a meteor for a plane.

Meteorite Sighting Startles Yolo County Residents - ‎16 hours ago‎
Read more in our Privacy Policy The Leonid meteor shower lights up the sky above China's Great Wall as stargazers brave the minus 20 degrees Celcius (minus ...

Meteorite found due to skycam

Out in Western Australia, in the Nullabor desert, there is an array of sky cameras designed to observe meteors as they flame their way through our atmosphere. It’s been observing the sky since 2006, and it paid off handsomely: a bright meteor observed by the skycam has led to the resulting meteorite being found.

Cooool. By triangulating the meteor, astronomers were able to track the rock all the way to the ground, where the meteorite was found only 100 meters from the predicted location. Not only that, the track of the meteor on the sky allowed astronomers to backtrack its trajectory, and calculate the orbit of the meteoroid. They found it came from a family of asteroids in the inner asteroid belt, just outside the orbit of Mars. over millions of years the orbit migrated inward toward the Sun, and eventually intersected ours, resulting in, well, the collision.

This is really nice because not too many meteorites are recovered from known falls, and fewer still where the orbit of the incoming rock can be determined. When this happens, we get for free what otherwise would take a fairly expensive rocket trip to accomplish.

I’ve been saying for some time that with the advent of digital cameras everywhere, we’ll be seeing this more often. In this case the cameras were designed and implemented specifically to do this, but just you wait. Some ATM or junkyard or home security camera will do the same thing. The age of public involvement in astronomy is just beginning.

URGENT: Pandemic Biological Weapon in Ukraine?

Edgar J Steele: Mossad agent Joseph Moshe warned of planned pandemic biological weapon in Ukraine three months ago -- and was immediately arrested for allegedly "threatening the White House"

Here it comes. Time to respond. Our life depends on what we the People do now...

Dick Eastman wrote:
US Patent Application 20090010962 – Genetically Engineered Swine Influenza Virus and Uses Thereof

Development of this sickness is the same as the 1918 Spanish Flu that killed more people than World War One -- the flu that not long ago was taken out of preservation isolation "for research." Whether any of you have been listening to all conspiracy investigators have been uncovering and laying out about the Rothschilds, the Rothschilds certainly have been listening and realize that we were closing in. The super pandemic is the pre-emptive attack on the human race, to completely destroy the strength of the worlds national populations so that they are powerless to act against the Money Power and too preoccupied by hundreds of millions of deaths around the world to even think of bothering about bankers and Israel. I wish I understood the sociological law whereby no one ever acts on the good intelligence from men like Edgar J. Steele.
the 3000 dead is unconfirmed for now
ukranian flu = pneumonic plague??
Three months ago, Israeli Mossad agent Joseph Moshe, who specializes in biological warfare, was taken down by Los Angeles police, allegedly for "threatening the White House." What wasn't reported by the media at the time was that Moshe just had "called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapon that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon its release." ( ) Moshe also claimed this pandemic would begin in Ukraine, a country free of the flu until last week.

Maybe it simply is coincidence, but I do not believe in coincidence. And, suddenly, lots of people are dying in Ukraine from this flu outbreak - a much more deadly form of the flu than has been seen anywhere else.

Baxter Pharmaceuticals has a vaccine development and production lab in Ukraine and in the past has been proven to have shipped dangerous live agents to other countries, notably AIDS in blood products that killed thousands of people a few years ago. This past spring, Czechoslovakia happened to test some Baxter vaccine and found live virus, something about which you may have heard.

Baxter, the source of the flu vaccine now being distributed over there, cannot be trusted! The Ukrainian people are not being told any of this or about what this Moshe character said just prior to being arrested in August over here. I am forwarding this column to all my friends in Ukraine tonight.

There is extreme danger from this flu pandemic in Ukraine right now and you should take especial precautions, wherever you live. Particularly, get a supply of Tamiflu, if possible, and start taking it at the first sign of symptoms (headache, fever, dry cough, aches/pains and extreme fatigue). It works. I have used it myself in the past. This flu operates very fast, often within just 3 - 6 hours, and is very deadly. You will not have time to get Tamiflu once you have symptoms.

I have heard the story developing since last week from correspondents of mine in Ukraine who have been witnessing things first hand. School and public offices have all been closed. President Yuschenko has declared a state of emergency and issued a plea for international help. Reports of up to 3,000 deaths (unconfirmed) already are leaking out.

So far, the worst of this outbreak is in Western Ukraine, in and around the city of Lviv, but a few hundred kilometers to the East, in the capital city of Kiev, nearly half the people now stalk the streets wearing surgical masks. It would be an understatement to say that the people of Ukraine are moving into full panic mode. I can see why. So should you. I will explain why in a moment.

Ukrainian authorities are unclear that this outbreak is the same as or, even, a close variant of the Swine Flu now sweeping over the planet. Maybe it is just a lethal mutation. Likely not, however. They are calling it both a viral pneumonia and bacteriological hemorrhagic fever. The symptoms mimic those of Swine Flu, though on steroids. People die with their lungs dissolving almost overnight, filled with fluids and blood. This is the exact, same pattern as followed by the 1917 Spanish Flu, which struck down the healthiest among the population, those with the strongest immune systems. The rampup over the summer has been identical to 1917, too.

Here's why you are at special risk if you are young and healthy: Your vital and responsive immune system is the very thing that kills you, by overreacting to the infection via what is called a Cytokeine Storm. I wrote about this process earlier this year, in Flu Happens. A great many of the people now dying have underlying conditions as well, particularly those of a respiratory nature such as asthma, when they take ill.

Now for the particularly interesting and sinister conspiracy twist (you just knew this was coming, didn't you?):
I predict that we will see this all over the globe by the end of the month. This could kill a lot of people. A lot, as in millions. Already, you can bank upon this infection being in many other countries, now going through its gestation period. It is infectious before symptoms really manifest. We will know by this time next week.

Hang on, folks. I think this is just the crest. Now comes the plunge downward. Keep your hands and feet inside the ride at all times.

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It's time to shut down schools and non-essential businesses until the biological warfare attack is defeated.


WHO Continues to Deceive: Assumes That Ukraine Plague Is H1N1 Swine Flu
Global Research, November 6, 2009
Prevent Disease - 2009-11-05

The World Health Organization (WHO) is continuing to deceive the world by stating sweeping assumptions about the Ukraine pandemic. Despite huge differences in transmission and death rates, the agency stated Tuesday that it was valid to assume that most of the cases of influenza reportedly combing through the Ukraine were caused by the pandemic A(H1N1) virus.

There is very little left to be respected of the WHO. After months of using junk science and contradictions to conceal actual swine flu cases, they are now launching phase two of their deceptive operation: Convince the world that a more lethal strain of flu is still the same H1N1 virus.

Infectious disease expert Dr. Donald Lau explained that the chances of the Ukrainian pandemic being the same H1N1 virus that has infected the world are very low. “The statistical probability of this being the same H1N1 virus are infinitesimally small.” Dr. Lau stated that the high viral transmission rates are extremely unusual for H1N1 and there is almost certainly some type of new virus, or a lethal recombination that has occurred.

Dr. Lau speculated that the Ukraine government or the WHO may be withholding and/or suppressing information for some unknown reason. “There must have been some misrepresentation of actual deaths versus infection rates.” Dr. Lau has estimated the probable fatality rate of this new virus to be close to 0.5 percent which is astronomically higher than the H1N1 virus in any part of the world.

Ukrainian authorities on Sunday launched an urgent appeal for help from world powers after it imposed drastic measures to tackle a sudden surge of flu-like illness in the country.

Almost 500,000 cases of influenza and acute respiratory illness have been reported, according to approximate but official Ukrainian figures cited by the WHO.

“Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples,” the UN health agency said in a statement.
“As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus,” the agency said.

“Judging from the symptomalogy of the reported victims, it seems highly improbable that there are less than one-hundred deaths considering the amount of infections stated,” said Lau. The dominant H1N1 influenza strain has not been capable of producing such a large amount of infections or deaths in such a short period. “The H1N1 swine flu virus is mild in comparison to the influenza strain currently attacking the Ukraine, it is not the same virus or strain as what we’ve seen,” added Lau.

The expeditious rise in infections and deaths in the past few days raise many concerns that the virus is transmitting very efficiently. Spikes in cases have been reported throughout the northern hemisphere, but the increased fatalities and the frequency in hemorrhagic cases in Ukraine have particularly raised concerns.

The highest rates of “acute respiratory illness/influenza-like illness” were found in western areas, while they were also increasing rapidly around the capital Kiev, according to the WHO. Eighty-one people have died as a result of flu and acute respiratory infections, the Ukrainian health ministry said, but the pandemic A(H1N1) virus has been confirmed in only one of the fatal cases.

The WHO said a team of specialists who arrived in the country on Monday will initially focus on the Lvov region, where reported “severe” cases of acute respiratory illness “have been especially high.”

Samples from Ukraine have also been received by the WHO’s influenza research laboratory in London for tests.
“Many questions remain to be answered,” the WHO said.

“The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in eastern Europe,” it added.


From: Michelle Sura
Date: November 6, 2009 8:16:45 PM GMT-05:00
Subject: Fwd: Extraordinary Presentation to NYS Assembly Hearing - actual facts about vacinations you need to know

I can't seem to open YouTube but maybe you can. My browser isn't working.

From: Madeline Muir
Date: November 6, 2009 12:21:48 PM CST
Subject: Fwd: Extraordinary Presentation to NYS Assembly Hearing - actual facts about vaccinations you need to know

Very passionate and knowledgeable account!

Subject: Extraordinary Presentation to NYS Assembly Hearing -
actual facts about vaccinations you need to know

Dear Friends and Family,
Just got this in... AMAZING...if there is nothing else you read about the H1N1 Vaccination please take the time to review this short video. The statistics and information that Gary cites as he speaks to the New York State Assembly on October 13, 2009 are nothing short of absolutely mind-blowing. This man has not only the facts but he has the guts to stand up to the current insanity. Big thanks to Gary Null. Please take the time to pass on to your friends and family...
Gary Null NYS Part 1:
Gary Null NYS Part 2:
Gary Null NYS Part 3:

Mayan Elder, Carlos Barrios

Explains 2012 and Mayan Calendar

from Mitch Battros - Earth Changes Media

Carlos Barrios, Mayan elder and Ajq'ij (a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide) of the Eagle Clan. Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars circulating. He studied with many teachers. Carlos along with his brother Gerardo studied with many teachers and interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

Carlos found out quickly there were several conflicting interpretations of Mayan hieroglyphs, petroglyphs, Sacred Books of 'Chilam Balam' and various ancient text. Carlos had some strong words for those who may have contributed to the confusion ---

Carlos Barrios: "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. "

"We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth Changes."

He continues: "Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human. We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action."

FULL ARTICLE: http://earthchanges secure/3247. 326/article- 9162526697. php

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The Final Mayan Calendar Steps to 2012: November 8, 2009 - The Beginning of the Sixth Night -

By Carl Johan Calleman

What is about to transpire now is something that has ever happened before in the history of the universe. Maybe this impending change, partially unknown, causes the widespread denial that I feel dominate many people at the current moment. Rather than facing a great change in our socio-economic relationships (since any change in human consciousness also implies a change in our relationships) many prefer to fantasize about some physical or astronomical event, that purportedly is going to happen on December 21, 2012.

In reality however, the Mayan calendar is not about something that will happen on a singular date, but a description of a divine plan for the evolution of humankind where quantum shifts between calendrical energies, will bring about shifts in consciousness. Thus, human consciousness will continue to be transformed step by step in accordance with this plan until we come to the real end date of the process of creation, October 28, 2011.

At this date the highest quantum state of the universe will be attained ( 13.13.13. 13.13 13 Ahau) when the shifts disrupting the harmony will come to an end. Obviously, we are not there yet.

In this plan for the evolution of consciousness we are now approaching the sixth night of the Galactic Wave Movement, the eighth of the nine levels, which will begin on November 8, 2009. If my understanding of the Mayan calendar is correct we will in this coming night be witnessing the most significant transformation of consciousness ever in the history of mankind.

FULL ARTICLE: http://earthchanges secure/3247. 326/article- 9162526692. php

Can we manipulate the weather?

Chinese scientists claim to be able to control the weather. But is so-called geoengineering more than wishful thinking? And, if so, should we be worried?

The unseasonal snow that fell on Beijing for 11 hours on Sunday was the earliest and heaviest there has been for years. It was also, China claims, man-made. By the end of last month, farmland in the already dry north of China was suffering badly due to drought. So on Saturday night China's meteorologists fired 186 explosive rockets loaded with chemicals to "seed" clouds and encourage snow to fall. "We won't miss any opportunity of artificial precipitation since Beijing is suffering from a lingering drought," Zhang Qiang, head of the Beijing Weather Modification Office, told state media.

The US has tinkered with such cloud seeding to increase water flow from the Sierra Nevada mountains in California since the 1950s, but there remains widespread scientific sniffiness in the west at such attempts at weather control. The chemicals fired into the sky, usually dry ice or silver iodide, are supposed to provide a surface for water vapour to form liquid rain. But there is little evidence that it works – after all, how do investigating scientists know it would not have rained anyway?

Such doubts have not stopped China claiming mastery over the clouds. Officials said the blue skies that brightened Beijing's parade to celebrate 60 years of communism last month were a result of the 18 cloud-seeding jets and 432 explosive rockets scrambled to empty the sky of rain beforehand. Last year, more than 1,000 rockets were fired to ensure a dry night for last year's Olympic opening ceremony.

"Only a handful of countries in the world could organise such large-scale, magic-like weather modification," Cui Lianqing, a senior meteorologist with the Chinese air force, told the Xinhua news agency after last month's parade.

Magic or not, there is growing interest in such attempts to deliberately steer the weather, and on a much larger scale. Next spring, a group of the world's leading experts on climate change will gather in California to plan how it could be done as a way to tackle global warming, and by whom. The ideas, some of which, similar to cloud-seeding, involve firing massive amounts of chemicals into the atmosphere, can sound far-fetched, but they are racing up the agenda as pessimism grows about the likely course of global warming.

As interest grows, so does concern about whether such techniques, known as geoengineering, could be developed and unleashed by a single nation, or even a wealthy individual, without wide international approval. "What will happen when Richard Branson decides he really does want to save the planet?" asks one climate expert. If China thinks it can make cloud seeding work, then what about geoengineering?

"If climate change turns ugly, then many countries will start looking at desperate measures," says David Victor, an energy policy expert at Stanford University and a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "Logic points to a big risk of unilateral geoengineering. Unlike controlling emissions, which requires collective action, most highly capable nations could deploy geoengineering systems on their own."

Victor is a heavyweight policy analyst, but one of his most impressive academic feats could have been to smuggle the name of the world's favourite secret agent into the sober pages of the Oxford Review of Economic Policy. "Geoengineering may not require any collective international effort to have an impact on climate," he wrote in an article published last year. "A lone Greenfinger, self-appointed protector of the planet and working with a small fraction of the [Bill] Gates bank account, could force a lot of geoengineering on his own. Bond films of the future might [enjoy incorporating] the dilemma of unilateral planetary engineering." Move over, Goldfinger.

Unilateral geoengineering worries experts for two reasons. First, the massive side effects; what it could do to the world's rainfall, for example. Second, once started, geoengineering would probably have to be continued, as stopping could bring an abrupt change in climate. "One of the many dangers with unilateral geoengineering is that once a country starts, it becomes very hard to stop," Victor says. "Removing a warming mask, even if it is a flawed mask, would expose the planet to even more rapid and probably dangerous warming."

In a world where action on global warming has created new markets in carbon worth billions of pounds, countries are not the only players. Geoengineering would require investment and the private sector is already eyeing up opportunities. Two companies have emerged with a business plan based on dumping iron in the sea and then selling carbon offsets based on the extra pollution supposedly soaked up by the resulting algal bloom. And in their new book, Superfreakonomics, Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner talk approvingly of Nathan Myhrvold, the former chief technology officer of Microsoft, whose company, Intellectual Ventures, is exploring the possibility of pumping large quantities of reflective sulphur dust into the Earth's stratosphere through a patented 18-mile-long hose held up by helium balloons.

This is the point where most people will shake their heads, say the whole silly idea will never happen, and skip to the crossword. They could be right, but the global warming story has a tendency to outpace most attempts to predict its path. Just a few years ago, scientists and politicians talked of the need to avoid a 2C rise in global temperature, yet experts recently gathered at an Oxford University conference openly talked of a likely 4C rise, which, without urgent and unlikely action, a new report from the Met Office says could come within many of our lifetimes.

A decade ago, an unproven idea called carbon sequestration, that would see carbon emissions from power stations trapped under the ground, was talked up by a small group of advocates, but was dismissed by most people as too expensive and unworkable on a large scale. Renamed carbon capture and storage, the idea is now mainstream energy policy in countries including Britain, despite still being unproven and dismissed by many as too expensive and unworkable on a large scale. Last month, the International Energy Agency said the world should build 100 full-scale carbon-capture power stations by 2020, and 850 by 2030.

If the geoengineering narrative follows a similar arc, then how long until nations or individuals that have the most to lose, or are the first to accept that the required massive emission cuts are impossible, turn to the presently unthinkable option? The US government, under President Bush, has already lobbied the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to promote geoengineering research as "insurance". When the Royal Society recently carried out an investigation of the options, senior figures privately expected it to dismiss the whole concept as nonsense. Instead the society, Britain's premier scientific academy, concluded in September that methods to block out the sun "may provide a potentially useful short-term backup to mitigation in case rapid reductions in global temperature are needed". The society stressed that emissions reductions were the way to go, but recommended international research and development of the "more promising" geoengineering techniques.

"My guess is that we will be taking geoengineering a lot more seriously in the next decade," says Victor, "but we won't be in a position to deploy systems for some time. Most nations will decide it is needed only if we have really bad luck as warming unfolds and if we fail miserably in controlling emissions. I put the odds of using such systems in the next 40 years at perhaps one in five."

Of all the apparent obstacles to geoengineering, cost is not likely to be among them. Compared with the expense of investing in renewable energy and phasing out fossil fuels, the cheapest geoengineering options come with a price tag of just a few billion pounds, perhaps 1% of what it could cost to tackle global warming through emissions cuts.

Alan Robock, an expert on volcanos and climate at Rutgers University in New Jersey, has looked at how much it might cost to carry out one of the most commonly discussed geoengineering options, to mimic the cooling effect of a volcanic eruption by filling the high atmosphere with sulphur compounds, which reflect sunlight.

The eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991 threw so much shiny sulphurous dust into the atmosphere that temperatures across a shaded Earth dropped a year later by about 0.5C. The 1815 explosion of Mount Tambora in Indonesia triggered the notorious "year without a summer" and widespread failure of harvests across northern regions including Europe, the north-east US and Canada.

Robock has worked out the likely cost of technology needed to deposit a million tonnes of sulphur in the stratosphere each year, an amount equivalent to a Mount Pinatubo eruption every four to eight years, and which scientists think could be enough to cancel out the global warming caused by a continued rise in carbon emissions.

The cheapest option could be to use giant mid-air refuelling aircraft, such as the US air force's KC-10 Extender, filled with sulphur dioxide or hydrogen sulphide gas. It would be a round-the-clock operation, with nine aircraft each required to fly three sorties a day. In a new paper in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, Robock and his colleagues say it could be done for "several billion" dollars a year. The results have forced Robock to revise a high-profile list of 20 objections to geoengineering he published last year. "It turns out that being way too expensive is not the case."

Robock's new analysis still includes 17 reasons why geoengineering is a bad idea. Throwing sulphur into the atmosphere could slow down the world's water cycle and do more damage to rainfall patterns than the global warming it aims to prevent. And because techniques that focus on stopping sunlight do nothing to stop carbon dioxide pollution from cars, factories and power stations, they cannot address the looming disaster of ocean acidification. The surface of the world's ocean is slowly turning to acid as our extra carbon pollution dissolves in seawater. Coral reefs already appear doomed and many shellfish could follow. Altering the atmosphere could also weaken solar power and reverse years of work to close the hole in the ozone layer.

With such a catalogue of potential disasters waiting to unfold, there must be a law against geoengineering? The international rulebook is fuzzy on this issue. The only international framework that directly covers many geoengineering techniques, the 1976 Environmental Modification Convention, designed to stop nations at war from meddling with each other's weather, has never been tested. The 1982 UN Law of the Sea Convention and the 1967 Outer Space Treaty could be used to regulate activities and experiments in those shared spaces, but releases to the atmosphere are legally more problematic because nations have sovereignty over their own airspace.

Rather than laws and treaties, many experts argue that the best way to prevent countries or companies from going it alone is to plunge in and start serious research. "The way to tame the worst forms of unilateral geoengineering is to promote a lot more research, especially [into] the side effects," Victor says. "One of the biggest dangers is that some governments will try to create a taboo against geoengineering. A taboo would stop a lot of research but it wouldn't stop determined rogues. That scenario would probably be the worst, because rogues would not abandon their efforts and the rest of us would not have done enough research to know what to expect."

Mike MacCracken, chief scientist at the Climate Institute in Washington, is organising the California meeting next spring, which aims to figure out some guidelines. He says large-scale unilateral geoengineering is "not very plausible" and his main concern is fairness to future generations. Once started by anybody, a geoengineering attempt would probably need to be continued by everybody else because it would offer a mask on global warming that could be dangerous to remove.

"It might be that this is how unilateral concerns should be reframed; this generation more or less deciding it will take only slow action on any type of emissions, essentially forcing the next generation to be more likely to have to invoke geoengineering to save much that anyone considers beneficial and unique about the Earth."

Read between the lines of most scientific reports on geoengineering and there is a tacit assumption that the idea sounds so extreme that merely discussing it will refocus efforts on emission cuts. But what if the reverse is true? What if a heavily funded research programme, and articles such as this, promote the idea to people who have little interest in moving to a low-carbon world?

"Knowledge is hard to hide," says Robock. "It would be great if people didn't know how to build nuclear bombs, but they do. We need to research and debate the consequences and then use politics and influence to let people know what would happen."

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